It will simply store your configuation under "custom". My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. For more information, please see our Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. Gonna sound real silly but I miss the days of walking into a electronics shop and being able to actually try the feel of the sticks out. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. Yes I followrd their guide. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). Both multiple cam and spring force options. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. So vkb is not the first/only. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a additional electronic/mechanic adapter ($60), but their Gunfigther Mk.II* base wasoptimized for deal withWarthoggrip weight. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. Try contacting vkb about the broken parts, depending on how old your stick is, I've seen people post on here that they just sent them a bunch of parts to repair failed items. Is the base the same on both? Please enter a valid email and try again. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. So far Im extremely impressed. Lastly if you have any thoughts please let me know as i know for some spending this kind of money is easy but for its hard for me as now that i have a young family money isnt just failing out of my wallet and i want to make the right purchase as i can barely afford to do it once. I was hoping for something like this for Virpil Hotas. Thank you guys for the help. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out After correspondence with Virpil I have to load and create a profile for each device individually, one at a time. * Gunfighter Mk.III is to be released, "soon". For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Ive had a pretty good experience with the Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals for the last few years, but they hang from a large central column that takes up a lot of space in my office. Both can be gotten with twist. I read a few posts about which is best but most people commenting have not used both to really compare. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. I use Joystick gremlin, so elite can see all the buttons on the throttle. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. First post here. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Something went wrong. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. The Virpil Constellation Alpha also comes in a left-handed variant. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. It may show you something you did wrong. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. Or I can get the Virpil one and have a 2 stick approach which will let me actually assess a proper preference. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. Nice descriptions. Been playing flight sims with a rig I purchased last year but ED was on my list of reasons why I spent money on a good input suite. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. Sign up for a new account in our community. I haven't checked Virpil in a while but didn't think anything had more than the MCG Pro, with the hat over on the index finger position as well as on the thumbrest. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. Hey everyone, i know this has been a few times but i cant find anything that the exact specs im looking at so im going to ask anyway. Virpil has the better engineers. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. (e.g. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. Its unique to you. ELITE DANGEROUS TRAINING Challenge Scenarios INCURSIONS Let's play in 2023 | PC | 4K | Live Stream | Solo / Alone NOOB w HOSAS VKB + Virpil #elitedangerous . I do use pedals too but haven't even mapped twist on my right hand, so that's itself not a limitation if you didn't intend to use them. It's easy! There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. I have a Virpil setup. 2 - is virpil worth the extra $200+ more and a very long wait. Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. > Q&A That's it. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. This is significant. I've taught myself how to use Virpil software, but the VKB software looks much more complex and the documentation seems lacking (translated) with many features only described in forum posts. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. Thank you for all the suggestions. I would think it should be enough. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. Cookie Notice But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. Virpil's compression springs in the Mongoos are nice, but the WarBRD doesn't use them. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. The biggest thing for me seems to be waiting time. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? In term of quality, feel and performance? - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. 4 - what grip do people think is better the T-50 or the alpha? Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. I'm in a similar boat to you. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Question on the VKB customization software? Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Valve Corporation. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. Have a look through the Virpil forums. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. Everything about it is perfect. What I've put together is a bit of how I use. 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